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Does Gun Control Infringe on People's Rights or Protect the Masses?

I can live with someone owning a handgun or a shotgun for sport and entertainment. But assault weapons? Six thousand rounds of ammo? That seems like lunacy to me.

I’ll state right up front that I’m in favor of reasonable gun control laws. By reasonable I mean simple stuff like waiting periods to purchase guns while extensive background checks are performed, bans on owning functioning assault weapons, and preventing someone from buying 6,000 rounds of ammo.

I know that the “any type of gun for anyone” camp will have a problem with that. They’ll try to frame it as someone taking away their rights. They’ll say that it’s taking away their rights if they can’t own an AK-47. The “guns for all” camp has to frame the debate from the "constitutional right" point of view, because it doesn’t work for them any other way.

We have all sorts of laws that are in place right now that are designed to keep the public safe, and they absolutely do infringe on people’s “rights.” Laws like driving on the correct side of the road, not driving while intoxicated, no texting while driving, no underage drinking, etc. We don’t have a “do whatever you want, whether it’s safe for others or not” society. So why should it be any different with weapons?

I know that eventually laws will be passed that will strike an appropriate balance between the right to own a firearm and the public’s safety. History shows us that sanity tends to prevail. Take smoking in public for example. The advocates for smoking anytime and anyplace cried out that their rights were being infringed on, the bar owners cried that they would lose business. Here was another example of the few trying to impose their will on the masses — regardless of how dangerous it was for the masses. Finally, reasonable laws were passed, and everybody got over it. And I haven’t seen a single bar go out of business because of it either.

One thing that really gets me are all the one-liners that are flying around the Internet since the Colorado shootings. I really think that the “guns for all” advocates should stop using one-liners to defend their case. Complex and important issues like gun control can't be discussed with one-liners. The mere attempt cheapens the issue. The childish and immature who come up with and spread these “snippets of wisdom” need to get out of the way and leave the big discussions to the adults.

One-liners are merely diversionary tactics to keep the focus off the real discussion — protecting the masses. Because on those grounds, there’s no way for the “guns for all” lobby to win. How can a simple one-liner even begin to speak to the truth of such a complex issue? Anyone who writes or posts such drivel is hurting their cause, not supporting it. I have yet to see one of any of these one-liners stand up to even the tiniest bit of logic and scrutiny. Here are  some examples:

"If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns"

Actually, quite true. (See the “cold dead hand” reference below.) But the goal has never been to outlaw all guns. Not from the mainstream gun control advocacy groups anyway. I’m sure there might be some fringe groups that push for that, but don’t confuse them with people who want reasonable control of firearms.

“Guns don’t kill people, people kill people”

Obvious and correct. It doesn’t even need to be said. But it is used repeatedly to divert people from the truth that a person without a gun can’t kill nearly as many people in the same amount of time as a person with a gun. Especially if that gun is an AK-47.

“We need more guns, not less”

The assumption here is that if criminals knew that everyone carried guns, they wouldn’t try to commit the crime in the first place. Brilliant. That’s the same logic for imposing stiffer penalties or the death penalty for certain crimes. Studies have shown that those aren’t deterrents either. So why think knowing that anyone could shoot a criminal dead would stop them?

Or perhaps the point is that criminals would be stopped dead in their tracks before doing any harm. I most recently heard this from some guy who has his own radio talk show. He was spouting off that if people in the theater in Colorado had guns, James Holmes would have been stopped before anyone was hurt. That is absolute insanity.

First of all, who said no one in the theater had a gun? And if someone did, why didn’t they shoot Holmes? The truth of the matter is that the people in the theater said that at first they thought it was just part of the show. So first a gun-carrying citizen would have to realize it wasn’t part of the show, get their wits about them, get the gun out, deal with the tear gas/smoke, take aim, and shoot. And hopefully not shoot any of the hundreds of people running through the theater trying to get away. The sad truth is that a person wielding an assault weapon can kill and wound far too many people before they could be stopped.

“More people die from car accidents than from guns”

How does this even factor into a discussion about gun control? Is the point that we shouldn’t do what we can to minimize innocent people from dying from the misuse of guns because more people die from car accidents? Or is it that we need more laws around the use of cars? Just another statement of deflection with absolutely no merit on the actual discussion.

“Banning guns won’t reduce crime.”

Probably true, but that’s not the point. This one-liner seeks to focus our attention on the probability that banning guns won’t do much to reduce crime. Go just a little deeper past that statement and any rational person would realize that banning assault rifles and such would make it much more difficult, if not impossible, to kill scores of people while committing those crimes.

I'll give you my gun when you take it from my cold, dead hands”

Hmmm. I take it that this means that you and those who stand with you will ignore the rule of law and take to being criminals if a law is passed that says you can’t have your AK-47. Nice message. However, few reasonable people want all guns banned. Except for a few extremists, that’s never been the message. So you can keep your handgun or your shotgun in your hand. Just leave the assault weapons at the door.

Tragedies like Colorado, Columbine and Gabby Giffords will always happen. There’s no way to stop all crimes of that nature. There will always be the Jeffrey Dahmers of the world — poor, sick individuals who are completely out of touch with reality. There’s no stopping them. But we don’t have to make it easy for them to cause mass destruction either.

I can live with someone owning a handgun or a shotgun for sport and entertainment. But assault weapons? Six thousand rounds of ammo? That seems like lunacy to me. If someone wants to fire assault weapons, let them go to a gun range specifically designed for them. After all, as the one-liner says: “Ever wonder why massacres don’t happen at a shooting range?”

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Harry Sawyer July 31, 2012 at 09:56 am
Ever witness a shooting at a gun show??? Nope....
Ellen July 31, 2012 at 10:58 am
http://www.columbian.com/news/2012/jun/02/gun-show-accidental-shooting/
Ellen July 31, 2012 at 10:59 am
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/article_ccf5806e-41df-11e0-a8c6-001cc4c03286.html
Ellen July 31, 2012 at 11:00 am
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27399337/ns/us_news-life/t/boy-accidentally-kills-self-gun-show/
Adam July 31, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Ellen:
Sadly, dozens of terrible accidents happen every day around the world. Rules exist for gun safety, just as with operating any dangerous household object, such as a car, lawnmower, circular saw. Individuals who ignore gun rules and laws face criminal and civil responsibility, even if those violations result in no actual harm. This is because some of these dangerous objects can hurt innocent third parties. Yet, no one is suggesting we outlaw cars, even though the government could fund public transportation so that no one has to drive. Further, the laws that are in place for proper use of a gun are circumvented by those who intend to use them for illicit purposes. For instance, the alleged Aurora theater shooter James Holmes did not have a permit for any of the weapons he used when randomly shooting dozens of people. The federal and state laws we have on the books were totally ineffective in preventing this from happening. The truth is, no critical mass of laws, regulations or rules will stop human beings from committing error or inflicting deliberate harm. It's our human condition. The best thing you can do is to practice defensive gun safety at home for you and your family.
Olive3 July 31, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Thank you Adam for your common sense reply. I agree.
John Holliday July 31, 2012 at 12:32 pm
As a target shooter, the only gun control I favor is being able to keep your firearm on target and shoot Xs. The controversy about the AK-47 in the Co. case is unfounded as the shooter was carrying a AR-15.
AR-15's are used in competition all over the counrty. As far as having 6000 rounds of Ammo, for a competive shooter that is not alot to have on hand. When I competed I had much more as I practiced daily and 6000 rounds would only last maybe 2 months. There is no easy answer to what happened in Co. but a lot of questions must be asked. How did a student with a very limited income come to have a AR-15?6000 rounds of Ammo and various handguns, body armor and the knowledge to build explosive devices? The sum total of his ordance was well over 20,000$ where did he get the money and the training?
Bob July 31, 2012 at 12:58 pm
One guy one time has 6000 rounds of ammunition and commits a horrific crime and now we want to ban excessive amounts of ammo? What's excessive? What did 6000 rounds have to do with his crime? Close to 99% of his rounds were at his home that night.
Assault weapon? Whats an Assault weapon? The military says it's a select fire weapon capable of shooting fully automatic. The guns civilians buy like the AK-47 variants aren't select fire and don't shoot fully automatic. They just look like the real ones. So what is an assault weapon? The anti-gun organizations in the 80's said we'll redefine that term. How about "if it looks like a military rifle, and has certain cosmetic features, we'll call it an assault weapon", and then the mostly ignorant public will be more apt to agree to a ban on them. During the ban from 1994 to 2004, you could still buy almost all the guns that were banned, just minus a cosmetic feature here and there, like a bayonet lug that you could put a bayonet on. Oh boy, that prevented the "drive buy knifing" problem" we had. Most of the gun crime is committed in the inner city. Four cities out of 169 in this state cause almost all the gun crime here. Drugs, lack of family structure, lack of education, and culture are the major causes of this. Farmington, Avon, Simsbury, have almost zero shootings in the last 50 years. Hartford has one every night. Bans don't work. Get your facts correct.
Saul Freedman July 31, 2012 at 02:05 pm
Another ignorant column by Joel.
john v. Plante July 31, 2012 at 02:32 pm
"Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Too true, But. People with guns do kill innocent people. Since guns were invented people used them for killing, either animals, or people they disagreed it. Guns made it very easy to do. That idiot that runs the IRA recently said that, "Even psycopaths have rights!". True also. How about the hundreds of innocents killed every year by psycopaths, don't they have rights. Take out your copy of the Constitution and read the second amendment, and believe what it says. It is one sentence long, quite a long sentence, divided by a colon, but still one sentence. Get real. It does not say all you imagine. John of Vermont
Paul Chotkowski July 31, 2012 at 05:00 pm
Mr Waldron it would help your credibility if you had / demonstrated knowledge concerning guns, current restrictions, and their effectiveness. Lacking the above you leave the impression that you are simply a hoplophobic. The AK-47 is a selective-fire, gas-operated 7.62×39mm military ASSAULT RIFLE. By definition selective-fire requires at least one semi–automatic and one automatic mode [think machine gun rapid fire like in the movies]. ASSAULT RIFLES [of any manufacture] have been continuously and heavily regulated since the National Firearms Act of 1934 was passed. It is very difficult to obtain a license for an ASSAULT RIFLE and there are extremely few “incidents” arising from this class of legal gun ownership - tens since 1934. An ASSAULT WEAPON is a term created by Hoplophobics [alternatively a BSG for Black Scary Gun]. To be an ASSAULT WEAPON a semi automatic rifle must be able to accept a detachable magazine and have at least two of the following, a folding or telescoping stock, a pistol grip, a bayonet mount, a flash suppressor or threads to attach one, a grenade launcher. The last was an absurdity added to imply its general use. M203s and 40 mm grenades are not readily available nor could I find a single US civilian death from an unlicensed launcher in the last 20 years. Your apparent ignorance or misuse of the term ASSAULT RIFLE [AK47] vs ASSAULT WEAPON [semi-automatic rifle] underscores your agenda of fear mongering aimed at increasing government control. Shame
rrtdie July 31, 2012 at 06:43 pm
Hey Joel, Lets take all the guns from LAW ABIDING people. Do you know what you have...You unarmed law abiding citizens.Now at the mercy of thugs and killers.. They will still have there guns to kill.. Think I'm wrong ask the jews of the 1940's how they made out when the Nazi took all the guns. If history tells us anything it didn't really work out to well for those people.Take off your blinders and get your head out of your ass. Read some history books loser.
Bob Y. July 31, 2012 at 07:47 pm
Find this on youtube !! Suzanna Gratia Hupp explains meaning of 2nd Amendment! Also there is a better version with penn and teller at the end.
Paul Chotkowski July 31, 2012 at 09:01 pm
Bill Whittle of Afterburner and PJ Media also has an outstanding explanation as to why second amendment rights and gun ownership are so important http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRAw3VWVyD8&list=PLABCC53F051B98328&index=32&feature=plpp_video. Government can not protect you. Let me say this again GOVERNMENT CAN NOT PROTECT YOU. Only you can protect yourself, your loved one, your community and your rights. And this view is increasing even in the Bluest of the Blue CT. If you doubt me simply look at the rate of increase in the issuance of Connecticut State Permits to Carry Pistols and Revolvers over the last four years or the number of background checks preformed prior to the purchase of hand guns, rifles and shot guns. The growth is stunning! Read history.To think that government can protect you is one of the great lies of Progressive / Socialist propaganda. Give us your freedoms and we will protect you no thank you that is slavery. Franklin was correct you will be left with neither rights nor safety. Check out Bill Whittle other posts they are worth the time.
mike Smith August 1, 2012 at 04:15 am
I have a hard time taking Joel seriously when he doesn't know the difference between a fully automatic assault RIFLE (not assault weapon btw) and a semi automatic rifle, which apparently we should ban just because they look scary? If I write an article I'm doing a little research first, but that's just me.
mike Smith August 1, 2012 at 04:17 am
http://www.thecitizen.com/blogs/terry-garlock/07-31-2012/can-we-talk-about-gun-control-rationally
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